# Conventions Call - 2024.11.21 **URL:** \ **Category:** Conventions\ **Tags:** conventions-meeting\ **Created:** [November 21, 2024, 9:55pm UTC](https://farmos.discourse.group/t/conventions-call-2024-11-21/2163 "2024-11-21T21:55:52Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 3\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![julietnpn](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/free1/user_avatar/farmos.discourse.group/julietnpn/32/1183_2.png) [@julietnpn](https://farmos.discourse.group/u/julietnpn)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2024, 9:55pm UTC](https://farmos.discourse.group/t/conventions-call-2024-11-21/2163/1 "2024-11-21T21:55:52Z")
Date: 11/21/2024 Attendees: Rose, Garethe, @gbathree, @julietnpn **A newcomer wonders, what exactly is the _Common Farm Convention_?** There a lot of different conventions. What makes this one different? It seems to be a structure to hold different vocabularies. **Semantics world explanation of the Common Farm Convention from Rose:** - A JSON based structure that will hold its data interoperability standard. - The structure comes from an activities perspective - It is a set of rules that connect farm-activity concepts together. - You can put any input data (from a producer/ farm) you can put in to the common farm form. … in execution: - I have a collection of conventions that is for my farm. - I’m using it for farm management activities - I have the convention irrigation to describe the irrigation event - I have the convention mowing You can change the conventions to make children of them to fit whatever kind of granularity you need. **Garethe’s summary / takeway:** Generic logical model (kind of) or like event model that you’re imposing different schemas on this, different classes of events on it effectively. **Continued Conversation** You can nest conventions. You want a collection of events to describe a specific context. There are base conventions that are high level and you can make children that are more specific. - Roll ups and roll down to find more detail. More of an analytical tool than a transactional tool? - There are a lot of challenges to interoperability, and this addresses some of those. How does the common farm convention prevent data loss? - When you transfer data, especially when you have to deal with units and especially groups of units. - A lot of times a schema makes you conform you data in a specific way, but a flexible schema allows you to put it in the data that works for you and allows it to be rolled up in appropriate way, specifying when data is needed but **Information from Garethe** RDF is a ontology based standard DFC context is local local food systems and bringing them to markets Had conversations with Kevin at Lite Farm, Mike and Greg Logical next steps is getting some of those farm management apps that are in this space. It makes a lot of sense to make DFC into common farm convention. LDP - Linked data platforms RDF - Resource Description Framework DFC - Data Food Consortium Greg wants Cory’s perspective - maybe there is some tooling out there that has addressed some of the merging we’d have to do to go from what we have to RDF. **What we’re missing in the common farm convention:** - Lists are really important. We just embed lists directly into the convention using json schema - Tis practical but not good - In a perfect world we’d reference an ontology - we should utilize ontologies to do conversions. There are javascript libraries that connect to them. Lite farm and farmos do custom units (e.g., bushels is the classic example) The hard thing about rdf is being forced into a subject-object-structure format - @gbathree what does this mean? > **[SwaggerHub | API Design & Documentation Tool](https://app.swaggerhub.com)** > > Join the world's home for API management. Design fast and generate documentation automatically with the OpenAPI and AsyncAPI specs using SwaggerHub. Vocbench: [VocBench: A Collaborative Management System for OWL ontologies, SKOS(/XL) thesauri, Ontolex-lemon lexicons and generic RDF datasets](https://vocbench.uniroma2.it/doc/) Their voc dataset: [ShowVoc](https://showvoc.datafoodconsortium.org/showvoc/#/datasets/Measures/data) [https://qudt.org/](https://qudt.org/) Pros and Cons of convention frameworks - Maturity - Growth - Scale **Common Farm Convention + DFC considered working on a grant** It didn’t end up going, but here are some deets: - Next Generation Internet Fund - DFC Ag Data Wallet App - Research question: can you do inventory management in farmOS and have inventory changes be reflected in OFN with the data protocol between the two be DFC and Solid compliant? - Resources: what is Solid? is it web 3.0? - Web 3.0 → blockchain - solid doesn’t have blockchain - logical extension of the semantic web to the idea that data stores are being - solid is looking at centralized rather than decentralized? @gbathree is this true? I might have misunderstood that. - not obvious that it is 300 websites versus one website - self hosted and centralized hosted s3 buckets ---
**Author:** ![mstenta](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/free1/user_avatar/farmos.discourse.group/mstenta/32/4_2.png) [@mstenta](https://farmos.discourse.group/u/mstenta)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2024, 11:38pm UTC](https://farmos.discourse.group/t/conventions-call-2024-11-21/2163/2 "2024-11-21T23:38:03Z")
Welcome to the forum @julietnpn! You should be able to post now. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![julietnpn](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/free1/user_avatar/farmos.discourse.group/julietnpn/32/1183_2.png) [@julietnpn](https://farmos.discourse.group/u/julietnpn)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2024, 12:54am UTC](https://farmos.discourse.group/t/conventions-call-2024-11-21/2163/3 "2024-11-22T00:54:39Z")
Thanks 🙂