https://farmos.discourse.group/t/farmos-monthly-call-8-january-2025/2179
11:00
Greg says:
Definitely not semantics!
11:11
me says:
Ha!
11:11
me says:
Debatable...
11:12
Jamie says:
+1 for more recommended pathways/configs/etc
11:12
Paul Weidner says:
Re: development vs business needs:
What is the best way to collect these needs + ideas? Are community calls + forum working?
11:13
me says:
It's only \"definitey not semantics\" if you assume the pessimistic viewpoint that in practice the development conversation wouldn't be user/outputs oriented.
11:13
Jamie says:
is this point on DB choice still a relic of the long-ago switch from MySQL to Postgres as the default (a la Docker) or recommended?
11:15
me says:
We should make the docs more opinionated about Postgres by default IMO.
👍
11:15
Jamie says:
farmOS Live CD!
🔥
11:15
Jamie says:
is it worth unpacking user segments? so far this is mostly ppl interested in self-hosting, but wondering about Farmier and how things like Paul's Tugboat demo facilitates that
11:18
me says:
Would need pre-rolled backup/update mechanism.
11:19
me says:
rPi needs SSD not SD card
11:19
Jamie says:
heck yea for preroll backup!
11:19
Jamie says:
is it still an obstacle to deal w/ reverse proxies, DNS, etc even with a farmOS Live Flash Drive / CD?
11:22
me says:
Definitely Jamie
11:22
me says:
Lots of potential challenges
👍
11:22
Greg says:
Yes on yutorial, based on application imo
11:25
Jamie says:
onboarding: big obstacle!
11:25
Jamie says:
I was holding back from the big D word: DESIGN!
11:29
Jamie says:
+1 for taxonomy starters!
11:32
Jamie says:
or \"taxonomy packs\" you can add and customize any time
👍
11:32
Paul Weidner says:
I imagine a dedicated call for beginners/new users, or even a 1:1 onboarding would be very useful. Similar to what commercial products might offer.
.... but I don't want to volunteer anyone to support this 😃
11:37
Michael Stenta says:
👍
11:37
Jamie says:
I've always loved Paul's Tugboat demo as a \"first look\" at farmOS w/o any tech background, with options for \"Crop\" or \"Animal\" a demo base
https://farmos-demo.rootedsolutions.io/
👍
11:38
marie says:
short video walk through?
mini game/modifiable use cases with feedback?
👍
11:39
Jamie says:
Paul, maybe instead of volunteering yourself (or someone else), our Open Collective could sponsor someone to do it?
🔥
11:39
Paul Weidner says:
\"FarmOS Ambassadors\" - would formalizing (but not restricting?) this role in the community help?
❤️
👍
11:39
Jamie says:
a lot of what we're discussing is the kind of stuff I'm also trying to address w/ Runrig, but don't wanna get too self-promote-y 😅
11:44
marie says:
pay-it-forward system... someone volunteers time to help you on-board, then you promise to volunteer to help a new comer in the future... ?
11:45
me says:
Top search results for \"runrig\" seem to be a band. I assume you're talking about something different Jamie?
👍
11:45
Jamie says:
https://runrig.org/
👍
11:46
Greg says:
Ibstill think finishing the templates feature would be really simplifying and powerful. Would love to see those things get done and out
11:46
Fosten says:
something we talked about before… an “education partner program” for onboarding teachers/classes/schools who are interested in contributing to the project
❤️
11:47
Jamie says:
+1 Greg... I think there was an old thread on the forum that discussed the same idea as \"presets\"
11:47
Greg says:
Yes presets basically
11:49
Michael Stenta says:
https://farmos.discourse.group/t/student-project-contribution/2154
11:49
Greg says:
Love yhe idea of connecting with universities... Farmos is such a great potential program to contribute to!
❤️
11:49
Paul Weidner says:
I had 1 entire year to do that in my CS program... wow!
😂
11:52
Jamie says:
direct link to Marie's presentation slides (PDF):
https://farmos.discourse.group/uploads/short-url/jDLW6tyZUHt5j6GVxciXoS45q0T.pdf
👍
11:53
Michael Stenta says:
Basically trying to do the same thing you are Nick 😃
11:53
Jamie says:
love it!
11:57
me says:
👏
11:57
Jamie says:
yea, LiteFarm is great at channeling student contrib into good sustainable code
❤️
11:59
Nick Weinstock says:
I have to run. good to see everyone in the new year
👍
12:02
Jamie says:
I was thinking of Ankita Raturi, too, or @Juliet who's here 😉
12:02
Fosten says:
idea: farmOS becoming a Google Summer of Code mentor project. GSoC hasn’t published their 2025 timeline yet, but now would be the time of year to plan the application
https://developers.google.com/open-source/gsoc/timeline
12:04
Greg says:
that would be awesome Fosten also 100%
12:04
Michael Stenta says:
Good idea Fosten
12:04
Paul Weidner says:
10 weeks is very fast and FarmOS/Drupal requires a good amount of onboarding. I think I would recommend building code that is somewhat external to the FarmOS server & interfaces via API - great option to build custom reports, custom imports, etc!
👍
12:04
marie says:
YAY!
12:04
marie says:
my info:
atsaasan@occ.cccd.edu
: )
12:05
me says:
Or maybe scaffold some of the boilerplate bits around a specific bit that needs development (in certain cases)
12:05
Greg says:
+1 Paul I think maybe like Grant focusing on things like Vue or JS they're likely to be more successful. There's work there too if they want to do it
👍
12:05
At the very end of the call @paul121 raised a good point in the chat about the Drupal learning curve, and that external tools that work w/ farmOS might be better than an actual farmOS module. That made me think back to @Farmer-Ed 's NodeRed tool, which he mentioned earlier on the call, which imports taxonomy terms into farmOS based on an outside institution’s classifications and criteria. Maybe it’s unhelpful since Eddie has already built it, but seems like a good example at least. My ears also perked up when I heard about FiberShed’s involvement, b/c weren’t they participating in some OpenTEAM / Wolfe’s Neck projects, or am I imagining that? B/c that could open up pathways for separate student projects to potentially improve on each other, if there was some way farmOS data could be imported/exported and passed back and forth with the tool FiberShed wants built. Maybe that’s a stretch, but it does seem like there could be other non-profit orgs, who also farm or work with farmers and would make a good partner, rather than a small/for-profit farm, since they’d be more likely to have dedicated staff that can work with the students, especially during planting season. And there are other such orgs who’ve collaborated w/ farmOS/OpenTEAM in the past, whether I’m correct about FiberShed or not.
my only requirement is that an end user be available to evaluate the prototypes and do validation testing during the time… maybe 2-3 hours a week for 5-6 weeks when they are in the think of things. the ask is that they install and use the prototypes, and give timely feedback. this must be an actual human end-user (not a persona or representative) who is doing this. i can send lemons and oranges and baked goods as bribes… but it would ideally be someone who wants the feature/module and also has time to futz around with it, which is often a big ask.
The LMS (learning management software) has feature Scorm this is a packaged data will be interoperability with any LMS software.if may create like this it may standard for FMS.